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One other point about Outlook. Unless you use Exc hange Server ( not usually found in smaller installations ), it is essentially single user. You can manually sync from one computer to another, but not live. Also Reinaldo is right on about the not linking to other data that needs to be updated.

In my case, I link a vehicle, client, estimate, and notes to the calendar and all must be visible on a click with the popup dialog. I'd be a lot further along if I'd really gotten into programming classes ( instead of just using them ) as James has encouraged me to do for years ... but the urgent stuff kept my focus elsewhere.

but the urgent stuff kept my focus elsewhere.

There was a TV ad years ago about car repairs that said "You can pay me now, or you can pay me later." Of course, paying later always ends up costing more.

Converting to using business classes will save tons of time (and money). Converting legacy applications can best be done a little at a time. As you need to work on specific routines you can start to convert just those routines to objects while leaving other routines untouched.

There is also a technique called "object wrapping." This is just done by defining a class and encapsulating legacy code into methods of that class. Then as time permits, each method containing legacy code is converted to a true method.

These techniques can make converting to OOP much less painful and you start to gain some of the productivity of OOP almost immediately.

Regards,
James

Reinaldo,

>I only want to share information for everyone's benefit.
Benefit for me is judgmental - I think you should use option. Is an option.

Using all those components I came to a point where I had so many unfinished projects and every new release – how long will they support activeX, etc.- were really painful.

>Outlook does not pickup insurance information and will not integrate with my other tables.
There are many examples here how you can interact from FW with outlook which I use.

>Tim got the calendar up and running in two days
I know and made the same experience. But if you need a special feature you can’t overcome if you don’t have the source code.

>Because of an incentive they offered, I did invest in the full library. I'm not sure how much I will use, but time will tell !
This was the same here. you always try more and more and you end with a source code which you can’t handle anymore.
Also to distribute such components is difficult. Sometimes admins don’t let you install the DLLs and OCXs you need.
Especially if you want to show a demo of your software. Then if you install your dlls and ocx files some other programs don’t work any longer because of a version conflict.

>There was a TV ad years ago about car repairs that said "You can pay me now, or you can pay me later." Of course, paying later always ends up costing more.
>Converting to using business classes will save tons of time (and money). Converting legacy applications can best be done a little at a time. As you need to work on specific routines you can start to convert just those routines to objects while leaving other routines untouched.
>There is also a technique called "object wrapping." This is just done by defining a class and encapsulating legacy code into methods of that class. Then as time permits, each method containing legacy code is converted to a true method.

>These techniques can make converting to OOP much less painful and you start to gain some of the productivity of OOP almost immediately.

I am so thankful that James helped me to convert my app to OOP style and having James as a teacher.


My opinion:
If we are fulltime Fivewinners we should try to find solutions using pure Fivewin. Otherwise the advantages this language has are lost.

For example using codejock with VB6 is so much easier than with FIVEWIN all the designers are and debugging is working you could also use
Apollo embedded database engine for managing CA-Clipper files which is working well and the syntax for Apollo is in VB6 similar to xBase.
But VB6 is no longer supported.

If you calculate yours, Tims and James time the money you paid a FW own class would be ready since days.
Best regards,
Otto

Otto; I see your point. I stand corrected.

The only part that I'm missing here is who do you pay for a CodeJock-type class in FW? If I have the choice of paying CodeJock or I pay a FWner; I pay the fwiner. But couldn't find it. Do you?

Regards;


Reinaldo.

Reinaldo what is your email?
Best regards,
Otto

Hi.

You can email me at:

reinaldo dot crespo at gmail

I'll be glad to read from you,


Reinaldo.

Now I found the post from 2007.

I didn’t knew before that paid support from Fivewin is possible.
Since that time I am satisfied. If I have really a complicated issue and no time to wait
for an answer in the forum I have the possibility to get support from Fivewin directly
or Antonio knows someone who can help.

Best regards,
Otto

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Otto,

Why don't you consider to do it yourself ?
I am sure that you have the technical skills to complete it.

If you want me to do it, send me an email and we will talk about the timeframe and priceregards, saludos

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Tim

I have purchased the codejock control calendar also

I am working on it's integration to my application this week

Hope we can share some code or ideas,

Richard

Hello,

I am agree with Otto. It is much better to have FWH own controls rather than 3rd party without source code.

I am interested in an Agenda for FWH like Outlook´s and I can paid for it to Antonio, Daniel or who can provide it.

Thank you.

ukservice

Of course we all prefer a native fwh control and i am ready to pay for that also

I asked for it several times , Daniel started the job but there is a very long way to go in order to have a similar control as codejock's.

Please take a small time to download a trial version (free) and you will quickly understand what i mean . this control is "extremely" professional and has a lot a capabilities.

I made the decision to purchase the control when Reinaldo published the code to manipulate it.

I have started working on integrating it to my software. i will publish screen shots when finished , hopefully by the end of the week.

Hth

Richard

Mr Chidiak,

Yes, I am agree that Codejock is too much professional.

I think a more simple Agenda will be enough. Mr. Otto´s class is very good. Just something a bit more complex.

The problems about using 3rd party tools have been described by Mr. Otto above. I don´t think it worths as they will cause too much support trouble.

A more simple but rocky stable Agenda is much better in my opinion that Codejock´s one.

Mr. Daniel, what is the status of your Agenda?.

Thank you.

Otto, I'd like to clear up something. I've been a FW user since the early days. If you look at my posts over the years, you will see that I'm very supportive of the work, assistance, and even the friendships that come about here. I use FW because I believe in it, and it allows me to do things I can't traditionally do otherwise.

With that as a basis, I believe that sometimes the things we want will take a long time. I used the xBrowse control as an example of something that just keeps getting better and better. Of course, it has been under development for years.

A full calendar class has been suggested for several years with FW, but it hasn't been a priority in the past, or the work involved was too much. As Daniel pointed out in another post, there are so many things to do with his time, and he doesn't have enough right now to complete this class. That is a very welcome statement because he is being honest with us, and I appreciate it. Others may step in to help, and that is great.

The point is my customers wanted something like Outlook two years ago. I don't want to risk losing them over this. So I got Codejock. It works, it solves my problems, and I'm pleased.

As for 3rd party libraries, I actually use one for spell checking, another for graphing, and another for PDF creation. They all work fine. If they get replaced one day by FW classes, that would be wonderful. But why make my clients wait ? They have needs now which my competitors answer.

As for the class that you have, it may be perfect for your needs, and it is similar to what I use now, but its just not enough for my clients. Hopefully Codejock will be a viable solution until that time when FW has a full class of its own.

Tim

TimStone wrote:As Daniel pointed out in another post, there are so many things to do with his time, and he doesn't have enough right now to complete this class. That is a very welcome statement because he is being honest with us, and I appreciate it. Others may step in to help, and that is great.

Thanks for understand me and for the trust

Daniel,

I've been doing xBase programming since 1982. I know how long it can take to complete projects, and how fast new ones get on our calendar. The people on this forum also have personal lives with families and friends. It is important to keep a balance and enjoy the precious time we are granted. We can't do it all at once.

You've made some nice contributions to FW as have others on this forum. They are appreciated.

Tim

Please see

http://forums.fivetechsupport.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=20732&start=45

FIVEWIN power - thank you Daniel.
Best regards,
Otto

download sample here: http://www.sitasoft.net/fivewin/samples/calex1.zip