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Some of us have been encouraging everyone to give Visual Studio 2013 a try with Harbour and FWH. I have a massive application running without problems, and am doing extensive refinement to optimize my code. Performance is great, and of course it is the latest development software available.

I think many people have not tried it because of cost, or have only tried the Free Express editions.

Now you can have Visual Studio 2013 Community, the full development package ( for non-enterprise settings ... which is most of us ), for FREE from Microsoft. This is not a limited offer. It is not something to get you to buy in later. It is the full Visual Studio development package for smaller companies and independent developers, available at no charge.

Why consider this ? Microsoft is diversifying their technologies, and they want you to use them. Yes, you still can use FWH but with an improved version of C and the most modern linker and compiler.

Also, do consider that Microsoft Visual Studio 2015 will allow you to build full apps for Windows, Linux, iOS/Mac, and Android.

Imagine all the possibilities we have for improving our client's experiences, combining what we know ( and do ) well with the very latest resources.

Think about it.

Tim

Tim,

I have been testing it already and it works great with FWH and Harbour

Now I am testing its Android capabilities. Very interesting for me for my FiveTouch project

By the way, I have already contacted Sarabjeet to adapt his work to the new Visual Studio Community

So we can continue the Harbour language extension project development with it.

Tim and Antonio,

I already moved from xHarbour+BCC to Harbour+MSVC and I'm very satisfied with the results. For sure I will test the Visual Studio Community. I hope to have the help from you in my tests.

Best Regards,

Kleyber,

What are the benefits of MSVC vs. Borland?

Regards

Paco,

MSVC is free as they just released a free version named "Visual Studio Community". Borland does not provide a free version of its compiler.

But that is just an economic reason. To me the most important reasons are: Visual Studio has an integrated great low level debugger. Visual Studio now supports the development of Android and iOS apps (Wow!!!) and soon we will have a Harbour extension language for it, so you will be able to build your FWH + Harbour apps directly from the Visual Studio IDE. It also provides a low level profiler (Wow!) and many more features that we are in the process to learn.

To me there is no doubt, specially with this new Android and iOS support, that Visual Studio is the way to go

You can download Visual Studio Community version from here:
http://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-community-vs

Thank you very much as always, Antonio.
As far as I know the issue of developing for Android and IOS VS behaves just like an IDE .... If it is true that he seems to have an Android emulator ... well as we will see

Yes, the emulator for Android is included

I am starting testing it.

In order to develop for the iOS it is needed to run an app on a Mac to transfer several files into Visual Studio. I am in the process of testing this also

Antonio, this community version include the emulator for android e ios? not is the version 2015 beta?

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carlos vargas

Carlos,

The emulators are already included in this Visual Studio Community 2013 (Microsoft why did you not name it 2014???)

http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/Visual-Studio/Connect-event-2014/511

Antonio,

Visual Studio 2013 has been constantly updated throughout 2014 which is consistent with their previous policies. They were building a 2014 version but the new availability and features made a 2015 version seem wise. This is a Preview, just like Windows 10. Both products are pre-release, allowing for public use and input. They are many months away from formal release.

VS 2013 Community is a new licensing of the very solid 2013 product. Microsoft has been giving developers a lot of reasons to use their tools.

As to why not Borland, I would ask why anyone would use a much older technology ?

TimStone wrote:As to why not Borland, I would ask why anyone would use a much older technology ?

A C compiler is not "older technology". It is just a... C compiler. And a C compiler is all what we need to compile our applications.

And by the way:

30/08/2014 04:55 1.595.264 bcc32.exe

Who is "older"?

EMG

So, if I understand this correctly, we can't compile from the IDE and there are no error messages when a program crashes. Then at this point, the IDE is just an editor? And it is really hard to debug without error messages?

I'm sure I am missing something.

You can compile from the IDE and link ... and I just don't have the error system configured yet ...

Tim,

and I just don't have the error system configured yet

Is this a major project or just something you haven't had time to do? Also, is this something that everyone has to do, or could it be copied and installed on other copies of Visual Studio?

James